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  • Vespadouglas 11:12 am on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply  

    I have no idea what sort of collaboration or input Simon Shack had in the Artists interpretation of his music,  in regards to the album cover for his new release. It is very intriguing ,  very unusual and I like it very much.

    If Simon had no input then I’m just waffling.

    If he did?

    I see the earth at the centre and  I see a considerable gravitational pull towards the earth. Is the snowman the cold vacuum?  Is the bear constellations? Are the planets closer than we think? Intriguing. a3274075840_2

     

     

     

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    • Vespadouglas 11:25 am on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Light but no heat? Are the bubbles warm? The melting head would make it seem so.
    • Tom Dalpra

      Tom Dalpra 12:47 pm on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      It’s a melting snowman smoking a pipe , holding a lantern, riding a polar bear.
      What could be clearer than that ? Does this not sum up the very essence of existence ?
      • Vespadouglas 12:54 pm on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        The polar bears’ arse, your chariot, has blown then Tom. Can’t be good.
    • Vespadouglas 1:04 pm on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Is the polar bears compass headgear linked to the emerald green globe nose. Is that linked to the ruby red globe at the bottom of the Dr Seuss tube? Probably none of the sort and probably best analysed on shrooms
      I like it.
      I look forward to Simons model and wish him the best of luck with his new album and if he reads this, congratulations to the artist. Although the music is not my cup of tea, I will buy the album.
      If I ever get round to making a fakery video requiring a soundtrack, I’m safe for copyright.
      • Tom Dalpra

        Tom Dalpra 4:16 pm on July 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, I think there’s some good sounds on this one. Some cool grooves ideal for movie.

        I don’t get the cover. For a researcher with great attention to detail I’d expect him to have had some input. What’s the cover supposed to say, if anything. I guess I could ask him.

    • simon shack 3:43 pm on July 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Dear Vespa and Tom! You can’t imagine how loud I laughed reading your above ‘cosmic conjectures’ about my band’s new album cover (no offense intended whatsoever – on the contrary!) As it is, it sure was a pretty crazy ‘serendipity’ of sorts when Emilia Holm-Rubaek (my Danish cousin’s daughter – and the author of the album cover’s artwork) and her gorgeous family came to visit me in Rome last year (as I was deep into my cosmic research – as well as recording the first songs of “Songs in Vacuum”). When Emilia pulled out of her bag the gift she had brought me (namely, that “cosmic snowman drawing”) I almost fell off my chair ! She had no idea that I was researching the cosmos – and so, once I told her about it, we all laughed together and toasted at how perfect that gift of hers was! Please know that I haven’t altered a SINGLE pixel of the scanned version of her drawing – which I used for the album cover, of course with her consent (she says now she’s ‘gone wild’ about the album’s tracks – which of course makes me jolly happy! All this to say that… NO, there’s no “hidden message” of mine in that album cover artwork.
    • simon shack 4:48 pm on July 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      For your viewing pleasure, here’s the gorgeous Rubaek family – all of them artistically talented (including their father / husband who is missing from this picture) :
      septclues.com/SIMON%20SHACK%20PICS/RubaekGirls_01.jpg
      • Vespadouglas 5:24 pm on July 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Ha! Serendipity indeed Simon.
        Congratulations also to Mum and Dad on the ” works of art ” they produced together.
      • Tom Dalpra

        Tom Dalpra 1:11 pm on July 17, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Dear Simon, thanks for explaining. hehe, funny.
        Vespa even put up a thumbnail of the ‘spinning planet’ in the chat which we analysed. At least we showed interest. Haha. Nice grooves!
  • Vespadouglas 5:59 am on June 21, 2016 Permalink | Reply  

    Spy coming in from the cold ? 

    From David Weiss and the other hot potato dudes through to Russianvids and Peekay and now facillitating a link between one of fakeologists’ honest few (rollo) and one of these “high output” characters –  who up until now have never shown any interest or given any recognition to fakeologist.com or cluesforum.info – we have the man of the moment , JLB.

    A very clever man indeed , but is it possible he is simply playing a very clever game . These characters have denied Ab and Simon for a ridiculously long time , so is JLB now attempting to bring them in from the cold ? (Could he also be setting his sights on simons ssss model ?)

    This approach just happens to coincide with a little story in the media of trolls harassing crisis actors . The subject of the story was certainly one of these “high output” characters . These chaps also seem to carry a bit of hate baggage . Blacks , jews , gays etc .

    Yes fakeology can be a lonely and paranoid place !

     

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    • Vespadouglas 6:11 am on June 21, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I suggest that russianvids , peekay and how I see the world are a new kind of gatekeeper . Their research is fantastic at times but they just seem to go around in circles . Just today , I watched a peekay video about a happy birthday balloon . The guy involved was debunked a week ago ffs . Move on dude !.
      This seems to be their strategy . So much else has happened in the week but these dudes just keep people fucused on already proven BS.
      I think this is a concerted move against AB and SS and their sites .
      • Vespadouglas 6:25 am on June 21, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Does this mainstream media acknowledgement remind you of anyone ?
    • ab 6:46 am on June 21, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Can you post a link to that screenshot?
    • John le Bon

      John le Bon 6:41 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I have been of the opinion for some time that the YouTubers who focus on what I term ‘Baby Hoaxes’ do more to slow down research/discovery than to promote it. Endlessly focusing on the latest shooting hoax, getting into petty disputes about this event or that personality, and rarely if ever focusing on the forest rather than the trees: this is their lot, but is it their intention (or job)? I don’t know.

      Over the past 12-18 months I have done my fair share to promote fakeologist and cluesforum. These ‘high-output’ characters cannot pretend to be unaware of or unfamiliar with the sites, their contributors and their content. Sadly for those who want to see the Fakeologist/CF perspective gather more momentum, most people involved in these sites are either unwilling or unable to engage directly with the prominent YouTubers by releasing their own videos.

      ‘The medium is the message’. The medium for the Baby Hoax pushers is (YouTube) video. Want the attention of the Baby Hoaxers and their audiences? Start making videos (and creating live hangouts). It is that simple. It is that simple. It is that simple.

      When I first started promoting the ‘nuke hoax’ meme within the ‘hoaxbusting community’ (Jeff C etc) circa Feb/March 2015, I was attacked for it both publicly, privately and behind closed doors. Even ‘No Planes’ was still controversial. Fast forward to today and these topics are no longer taboo. I am obviously not the only person involved in this awareness transition but, among the more prominent names involved in Baby Hoax community, I have no qualms in suggesting I have been the most successful in helping push this transition along.

      It would not take many people making a conscious effort to engage with the Baby Hoaxers and propagating the ‘nuke hoax’ meme (for instance) to help it go from an ambivalent, almost-fringe topic to one of prime interest. How many out there reading this are willing to put in the hours to engage with the Baby Hoaxers, create videos/live hangouts, and propagate worthwhile memes? My experience tells me that other than myself, the answer is ‘few if any’. And that right there is the problem.

      Peace and good tidings.

      • Vespadouglas 7:58 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Im not here to “simply” make videos . Im here to discuss fakery and share research and opinion with like minded individuals . Simple as !
    • Tom Dalpra

      Tom Dalpra 6:50 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      mmm…

      John Le Bon seemed to have a real thing about there being NO so-called ‘paid shills ‘ online at one time. He kept going on about it. He did a show with ‘ Jeff C where he argued the point which gave Jeff ( a known ‘paid shill’ haha ) the chance to look good in arguing – the obvious truth -that there are agents online in the youtube community in alternative fields.
      I wondered at the time why John seemed to be even entertaining Jeff C, let-alone making him look good.

      • John le Bon

        John le Bon 11:17 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I remember well your comments following the ‘Jeffrey vs JLB’ debate, and I lost a lot of respect for you at the time as a result of those comments. We had Jeffrey claiming that a solitary MSM article (about a police officer infiltrating a green movement), Edward Snowden’s ‘leaks’, and his own personal ‘death threats’, were his ‘proof’ that paid shills exist; and me pointing out that this is weak evidence (at best) for the position being put forward. For you or anybody else to suggest that this made Jeffrey (and his position) ‘look good’ is, to me, laughable and ridiculous.

        I think this goes to the heart of something I said in a Comment Review late last year regarding KHam and a small group of fellow ‘fakeologists’: some of you seem to want to think you are FAR more important than you really are. No offence. You are not a threat to the establishment in any way whatsoever. Some of your research might be, if it were disseminated widely enough to influence the behaviour of others. How far widely is your research disseminated? A few dozen (perhaps a few hundred) other like-minded people, who congregate on website(s) which are on the fringe of an online ‘community’ (for want of a better term) which itself is on the fringe of the wider internet collective.

        It is clear that I have done what I can to bring this fringe-fringe to the fore of the fringe (and to make the fringe more accessible to the broader masses). Have I succeeded? Not in the absolute sense but, as I intimated earlier, there is no doubt that the conversation within the fringe has changed over the past year and for that I do take my fair share of credit.

        In the meantime, people like yourself have spent countless hours talking about boogeymen who are holding the truth back, and some have even gone so far as to suggest that I am one of those boogeymen. I hope that in time you will realise how ridiculous your position looks to the tiny few of us who aren’t still caught up in your fear-based and egocentric paradigm.

        Peace and good tidings.

        • Tom Dalpra

          Tom Dalpra 10:59 am on June 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

          When I first started looking at alternative theories on the internet, all I read was stuff from agents of disinformation. Far from being non-existent in these fields, time has shown that controlled agents are in fact part of the landscape and because it was confusing and I’ve been led down so many false trails, as I’ve looked at various things, over the years, I’ m thankful, now ,that experience has taught me to be a little wary, at least.

          If you’re either too wet behind the ears to understand it, or you’re not the intellect I thought you were John, then I apologise for even inferring you may have been acting deliberately strangely.

          Either way, you’re acting a little strangely to me, and as Vespa says, I just call it as I see it, what/whoever. No big deal. As you suggest, who the fuck’s gonna read it anyway?

          Agents of obfuscation and misdirection are part of the scenery in these ‘fringe’ areas of alternative research.

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          While you’re there, I have a small gripe. I don’t like the term ”Hoaxbusters Community ” you often use . Is it your term ?
          I’ve heard you talking in terms of Jeff C being part of this ‘hoaxbusters community ”

          As far as I know there’s a site and radio show with Chris Kendall called ”Hoaxbusters”.
          This has nothing to do whatsoever, and is not in any community with, for example, anything the clown Jeff C does.

          Everytime you say hoaxbusters I think of Chris Kendall.

          It’s a bit like Mark Sargent and his FlatEarth Clues, maybe ? It feels like discredit by association.
          (Again ) Deliberate or not, I don’t like it, because, as far as I can tell, most of the people in this so-called ”hoaxbusters community” are jokers, whether they mean it or not and Chris Kendall is not a ‘joker’ as far as I’m concerned.

          Are we bundling Russianvids, Peekay, Jeff C, Jungle Surfer, David Weiss, and Mark Sargent together with Hoaxbusters.org ?
          If so, I think that’s a travesty.

          • John le Bon

            John le Bon 8:45 pm on June 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

            1) You can be as ‘wary’ as you want. I too was taken in by some deceivers when I first got into this scene. Now I am skeptical. Skeptical, as in, looking for evidence before reaching conclusions. If you are being honest, you have reached the conclusion that most (if not all) prominent voices in this scene are nefarious. You do not have sufficient evidence for this conclusion but you hold it anyway. You are wary, I am skeptical.

            2) Vespa and others can criticise my ‘style’ all they like. What difference does it make? Nobody is here presenting evidence to disprove a single thing I am saying. Is this because they can prove I am wrong, but prefer to focus on ad hominems? Perhaps, but more likely they simply can’t disprove anything I say. People tell themselves they base their beliefs on evidence, and they tell themselves they are focused on research and objective information, they tell themselves they are here to learn and share knowledge. Their behaviour says otherwise, and it sticks out like dogs balls.

            3) I refer to Jeffrey and his online cult as the ‘hoaxbusting community’ because that was how I knew it because that was my introduction to this scene. I understand that others may feel Chris Kendall & co should have a monopoly on the term. i also understand you may feel as though Jeffrey etc intentionally stole/misappropriated the term, which could well be possible in the sense that anything is possible. You may be pleased to learn that I plan to soon start heavily promoting the ‘goof community’ meme and once that seed has germinated I will refer to Jeffrey etc as the ‘goof community’ rather than the ‘hoaxbusting community’.

            Finally I have nothing against you or anybody else, Tom. We are among a tiny, tiny few who can see what others can’t, and an even tinier few who are not too scared or demoralised to speak openly about what we see. People like yourself and Vespa are not my enemeies.

            Increasingly, though, I am realising that my enemy’s enemies are not necessarily my friends. Some people are here for evidence-based discussion, others are here to share their own psychological misgivings about the content they consume. There is some overlap but it is much smaller than some care to recognise.

            Peace.

    • ab 7:03 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      JLB, I think you are a stand up, legit dude. I like your work. I am not good at sorting out the paid from the unpaid, but it would be foolish to think that with the unlimited military budget of the global players, they wouldn’t create a whole department to manage their hoaxes. To what extent we are infiltrated, I couldn’t tell you. I know I am not paid to disrupt, and that’s about it. I hope you aren’t!
      • John le Bon

        John le Bon 11:20 pm on June 22, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Of course they could be doing what you suggest. It seems a logical inference that they would. but this is all it is: an inference. What proof do you have that any of these characters, some of whom have perhaps a few thousands ‘subs’ and average viewcounts around 2-3k, are paid shills? Precisely zero. So why waste time focusing on the messenger when there is so much more to be gained by looking at the validity of their message?

        If people want to believe they are being monitored or subverted by ‘paid shills’ I generally won’t try to change their mind. Why? because beliefs held without evidence are not opinions which will be changed by me pointing out that lack of evidence. It is emotions-based belief. People with these beliefs hold them for their own reasons.

        You are a wise man who has been in this scene longer than me. you know all of this.

        Peace and good tidings.

        • Vespadouglas 4:51 am on June 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

          I would suggest the term “paid shill ” is a red herring . Do you believe , jlb , that Ltv (promoted by your old potato friends ) is the real deal ?
          If not , what do you suggest is his reasoning and goal?

          As for the fringe fringe nonsense. I , myself, am not here to win over , persuade or convert anybody. Im here to learn and discuss my opinions on the world with 1 , 100 or 1000 people who think similarly.
          “what it is”

        • Vespadouglas 8:43 am on June 24, 2016 Permalink | Reply

          I wouldn’t go as far as calling fakeologist.com a ” scene” . There may well be a truth scene but im not sure that most fakeologists are, or would choose to be part of it . Fakeologist is a place where opinions matter .
          People here voice those opinions on the weird , wonderful and normal in speculative imaginative , at times genius and downright ridiculous thought . If asked ,im sure most , if not all would give a straightforward honest opinion on the legitimacy or otherwise ( and reasoning for) of anything or anyone . Is that bad? To have an opinion is wrong ? In this world of deceit ? I’m 95+% confident SS and ab are on the level . tom will push a 97 felix a 98 and rollo rings the bell at 99+ .
          70% or less youve got your pk , rv , js , hostw ,
          Everyone else is on an even chance whilst the obvious – steere , vice , Ltv , dubay , sergeant etc can just fuck right off.
          Jlb – 82 ish .
          Its just opinion .

          Im personally not interested in reaching out to fringes or communities . Individuals yes , you tube dudes no . I’m not trying to wake the masses up . I do approach individuals and suggest alternative ideas and directions to cf and here but that’s as far as it goes.

          As I said , your replies are seldom civil when your opinion is contested ( sort of underlying venom with a veneer front) but you are , as I said , very clever. I enjoy your chat , I dont remember any ad hom about your style and I certainly wouldnt class you as an enemy or a friend .
          I am questioning an apparent coming together of typical content/behaviour/styled truthers and a seeming reach out to what I would suggest are legitimate truth seekers . Part of that was facillitated by you . Thats suss for me .
          Nothing personal , no offence intented. If it was rollo reaching out to russian vids and you facillitated that , then the suss would shift from you to rollo .

          Thats about it dude . Peace out

    • Vespadouglas 4:59 am on June 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Without trying to speak for tom can I just say that ive seen him call out numerous people . You , me , ss and ab to name a few. Does he do this because someone said something about kham or fakeologists?
      No.
      He does this because he thinks someone may be wrong.
      • Vespadouglas 9:00 am on June 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        I have no gripe with you jlb , quite the opposite . You are one of the few people I subscribe to in any way . You are a very clever and interesting young man . Your opinion on many things is not very different to mine but when it does differ your responses are seldom civil . Egocentric
        • Vespadouglas 6:04 am on June 30, 2016 Permalink | Reply

          We now have pk being mentioned and somewhat ” promoted ” in the mainstream Media .Possibly thousands of curious people and potential new truth seekers will go online and check PK out . I’m sure the best thing pk could do , at that moment , is put out a new video stating that Bill Hicks is Alex Jones .

          “Orlando was a hoax , Bill hicks is alex jones , 100% , no doubt about it , if you cant see that youre completely blind ” says pk …
          Good work dude.

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